Sally Kern Addressed the Controversy and Her Motivation
READ THIS TRANSCRIPT OF THE RADIO INTERVIEW!
Sally Kern addressed the controversy concerning being hateful and bigoted. This interview reveals her desire to be a woman of integrity, uncompromising and yet loving the person.
Sally mentioned if thinking through ahead she would not want to use a statement to alienate anyone, however she not going to be bullied by gay activists into silence regard this grave threat to the United States, our traditional family values and Judeo-Christian beliefs.
This is a very good interview to get clarity. I would also add read "The Untold Story About Sally Kern" as well.
http://www.baptistmessenger.com/story/C61FD95974EED292C3DFD40A6A2600AA#
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Look, I consider myself a conservative Christian. I believe in the authority of Scripture concerning all matters, including sexuality. Thus, I -- being a same-sex attracted person -- have taken on the call of Matthew 19:12 to be a "eunuch for the Kingdom" and remain celibate instead of pursuing homosexual relationships.
That being said, I still have many gay friends and even a family member, and I care about them all deeply. They hardly all fit into a singular "lifestyle." Some are virgins and are waiting for a lifelong partnership, others are monogamous with their life partners, and some are lifelong celibates like myself even though they still call themselves "gay." I may not agree with all my friends on religious grounds, but I am far from saying that they are tearing down the moral fabric of the country. I still think heterosexuals in general still hold that title. That Ms. Kern makes so many generalizations about homosexuality shows that she has not given the issue much thought, and is relying on suspicious "research" rather than her own personal experiences with gay men and women.
I don't understand how there is any way to defend Sally Kern's language. There were a million better ways for her to say the truth -- and, indeed, tons of other people say it better than her all the time -- but she continues to use tired rhetoric. "Love the sinner; hate the sin" has been used so often that people aren't even understanding the meaning anymore. This issue is more complicated than that, and Ms. Kern needs to recognize that. If she was so concerned about showing love, then she needed to phrase her sentences in a way that wouldn't be taken in such a hostile manner. She didn't, though, and she isn't apologizing for it. Not recognizing when you might be wrong is not Christ-like; it's childish.
I can't imagine a single gay person I know being inspired to follow Christ after listening to Sally Kern. I know that if I was not already two years into the decision to be celibate, Ms. Kern's speech would probably keep me away from such discipleship. You shall know them by their fruits, and I can't see Ms. Kern producing any fruits.
I know this man. He's lived his life out in the open. He is not a hidden man. People see both his personal struggles and his personal victories. I can say with assurance that he is a changed man.
Who's challenging her rights to free speech? She was completely free to say what she wanted to say. She said it, and said it poorly in my opinion, and is reaping the consequences from citizens who are likewise using their rights to free speech to speak out against her or in support of her, depending on their preferences. No one's right to free speech is at risk here, so I wish people would stop using that rhetoric.
Now, if you're going to tell me that there is, as you say, "IN FACT," such a political movement to destroy "Judeo-Christian values," you're going to have to back it up with just what you say: facts. There certainly is a cultural movement, I will grant you that, but that movement has been going on for quite a long time. Fornication is an accepted norm in television and movies, and where is the outrage about that? If you're going to say that all sexual sins are equal (indeed, all sins are equal), the you're going to have to start acting like it.
Expressing intolerance (or even hatred) is not the same as terrorism. It's not even close. Furthermore, this is a very emotionally-charged issue. What do you expect people going to do? Stand by passively while they are being lied about? She used stereotypes and generalizations that are simply wrong, so it's only natural that there would be a backlash.
Ms. Kern couldn't have said the things she said without hurting some feelings, that's for sure. She could have, however, said them in a way that was more loving, more understanding, and more gracious. She neglected to do so and refuses to apologize (I read her interview; she dodged around any real apology). So, I see no reason to paint her as a victim. She may be a sister in Christ and we may have similar beliefs about whether or not homosexuality is a sin, but that doesn't mean I have to support her in this instance.
My standards are not given to me from Hollywood. I am outraged at all the immorality in our culture. Your statements reveal you are judging me, and you don't know me at all, or you would not have asserted that I am not outraged. I am actuality grieving over the state of nation. I am equally grieving over how spoon-fed the youth of this generation are by Hollywood and entertainment. Immorality is a norm for your peer group. Especially the idea of the gay propaganda of being born homosexual and the need for total acceptance. This is happening among so called Christians who are not Biblically literate. Pop psychology has replaced the wisdom of God's word for many Christians.
Did you even read the transcript of Sally Kern's January speech before writing me? You seem to merely have the understanding from the liberal media. If you had you would understand that in context she had a table of books, and facts about the culture change over to liberalism that is IN FACT happening in our culture. You would have read in context that this was information from the TRUTH PROJECT and Wall Builders.
A lawyer friend of mine told me a couple of years ago, "Stephen, I feel it is LIKE 1933 and as an exgay evangelical Christian your name is Bernstein and the Nazi's have just come to power. What will it be like for you in just a few short years? Will you have a legal ministry?"
You know, CollegeJay... I hope you are not so naive to think this is not headed in the same direction. You really should study harder. Please read the Bible about the last days. There is a whole lot more going on here than this just being about an angry gay crowd offended by a seemingly unwise parallel made by Rep. Kern. Did you read my UNTOLD STORY? Doesn't seem like it. What about the irony of people who scream loudly for tolerance and say no to hate? Why is it okay for these same people to demonstrate such terroristic tactics of screaming for Kern's resignation, over 26,000 hate emails, and death threats? Can YOU justify this behavior? Perhaps it was a terrorism like giving someone poison over time and then wake up one day and find themselves closing death's threshold. Asking ... how could this be? No it isn't like blowing up buildings under the banner of Jihad. Could it be more like the happy frog in water, not knowing that it's owner just turned on the flame under the pot he sits? Acclimation... and then death as the water begins to boil.
Have you even considered who and why the edited down quotes where put up on YouTube? THINK CHILD! There was a very calculated decision made by a local gay activist group here in Oklahoma City to record Sally. WHY? They were working with the Washington gay elitists. So the very cleaver gay political think tank - "the G&L Victory Fund" would enrage the gay community, enrage gay spirited sympathizers (victim mentality) and pour in the money! Yes, fund us! We will get gays elected, liberal (anti-Christ) individuals elected to get HATE LAWS - Speech LAWS passed! We are so mistreated! We must silence the rhetoric of Judeo-Christian values! THIS IS REAL!
Watch the videos at: www.silencingchristians.com - your generation is going to look totally different IF there is not a revival across this country. The USA is becoming very dark. It IS going to become very dark if there is not a change for holiness. Which side of will you ultimately line yourself up on CollegeJay?
Perilous Days are a head! 1 Tim. 4:1 "The Spirit makes it clear that as time goes on, some are going to give up on the faith and chase after demonic illusions put forth by professional liars. These liars have lied so well and for so long that they’ve lost their capacity for truth." Lying and Lying and telling lies, before long the most unsuspecting believe the lies. 2Tim 3 "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For people will become so selfish and self-centered, full of lust, men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; having a form of godliness, (they will call themselves Christian) but denying the power thereof (they deny the Gospel): from such turn away."
Yes we are living in very strange days!
A PERILOUS TIME OF DECEIT! "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; (the sound teachings of Scripture) but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, (a worldly gospel message) having itching ears; they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto false teaching that allow them to live in their own lust of the flesh, a different message, NOT THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST!" There is a gay gospel now.
Yes, CollegeJay... this is a lot more about the behind the scene happenings you are unaware. You should investigate thoroughly what day you are living in, before you find yourself actually fighting against the ONE you say you desire to love and follow with your human emotions. God have mercy on us all that we do not lose heart or grow weary in these last days. Pray that you can endure to the end and that day does not come upon you like a trap... as our Lord said.
You did not give me facts. You told me to type "gay agenda" into Google. That hardly qualifies as solid research. As for the Victory Fund, they have every right to support their candidates for whatever reasons they choose, just as you have the right to support Sally Kern. As for the Word of God, it's all well and good, but it was out of context in terms of the debate we were having. (And personally, I think those texts could apply to any generation, for there have always been lovers of pleasure -- gay and straight -- calling themselves Christians).
I didn't judge you to be incoherent. You simply were, because your language is sloppy and your writing style (if indeed it can be called "style") is hard to follow. Simply being older than me is not a reason for me to respect you. You have to earn that respect, and you have not. By the way, I never said you were addressing me as sub-human. I said you weren't addressing me as a normal human, meaning you weren't actually responding to what I had written and were flying off on unrelated tangents instead. Once again, you have shown an unwillingness to read or think carefully, so why should I continue to engage you here?
As for argument (also called "debate" or "discussion"), it's a natural fact of life. You either debate with the people with whom you disagree, or you stay silent altogether. You can't have a public voice and throw your hat into the arena of ideas without expecting to engage in rational and respectful discourse with opposing views. You can choose one or the other, but you can't have your cake and eat it too.
I regard you as a brother in Christ, which is part of the reason I'm taking such an attitude. I would never talk to a non-Christian this way, because I would not want to be a stumbling block to them. You, however, have quite a bit of growing to do (which is not, of course, to say that I don't), and I just wanted to point that out.
I have children your age or older. I guess you were not taught these truths. My children and their peers agree with me, however, they were home schooled and believe the Bible.
However, I will over look your disrespectfulness because my heart goes out to you. I am also convicted by God about my own initial disregard for you. I am sorry. I hope you will forgive me, will you? You are young, and it appears you are a believer in Christ. I read your blog this evening. I will not wrangle with you about words, or Sally's words. My heart goes out to you Jay. Your age is a tough time. Your struggle is real and it is painful. I have been there, done that... not ever going back.
I am not here to educate you with all the facts. I am not blogging to wrangle with people over words. The idea of blogging FOR ME is to communicate to the world my ideas and to network with like minded people and make friends.
IF you REALLY wanted to know more about what is going, I was merely trying to give you the tools to find the information you requested. This forum is a comment forum, not a debate forum. IF you would like to actually have a conversation with me as a maturing adult then email me to set up a specific meeting time to talk on the phone. My direct email is: stephen@firststone.org.
Concerning this Sally Kern controversy, she is also your sister. You may not agree with the parallel she gave (as I would not have used it myself) but it is ironic what has happened after the fact, and what continues to go on. I am glad there are a lot of people talking about what is really going on with the political gay movement in this country. It seems you and I do not have the same view of the brokenness of homosexuality. I truly believe this political agenda is destructive to our country. Oh, yes, they have the freedom and the right to their opinion and they certainly express it. So since you do believe in that right, what's the problem with Sally having the right? I think it was awful the "SHAME ON YOU SALLY RALLY" the gay community had here in Oklahoma City. The demand for her resignation. The screaming and the hatred. Double standards and hypocrisy. You originally asked, "Who's challenging her rights to free speech?" I tell you what, you go watch a couple of videos at www.silencingchristians.com and go see what is happening with the challenge against those who are in opposition to homosexuality in this country. This is merely one source, there are several more. I really don't want to comment more about this, but would be delighted to talk with you on the phone.
BTW, being your brother does not give me the right to have a bad attitude with you or anyone else. Not sure why you believe it does for you.
However, it is difficult to curve sarcasm to foolish comments. I have received many hateful emails and vicious lies on the internet. I will turn from this. However, the Scripture does teach us we should answer a fool according to his folly. I am not suggest you are a fool. I am not being rude or unkind here. Jesus also told us to NOT cast our pearls before swine. Perhaps some of the TRUTHS I share are casting before swine. I don't want to be rend. Blogging is a very interesting avenue. Again, I am here to give my point of view, review comments, and comment back and make friends. I am really not here to debate. I wish you the very best. I hope you are able to get godly counsel and support with your journey in this life. I truly am asking that God BLESS you with HIS wisdom in fight your fight of faith.
God's word does not teach us that people in authority or elders are to earn respect.
What, so I'm supposed to give you a free pass just because you're older? I'll need specific verses and their appropriate contexts to believe that, sorry. From my understanding, as Christians we're supposed to hold up all earthly authority to the light of Scripture to see if they measure up or not. I'm not saying if you do or don't, but I stand by my comments. I also believe the Bible (and I do that without having to ever have been homeschooled, imagine that), and my parents taught me everything I need to know.
We have the same beliefs about the fact that homosexuality is a broken condition. Then again, mere humanity is a broken condition, and I refuse to believe that homosexuality is a worse sin than any other. Thus, I'm not so concerned about a gay political agenda, no more so than a Muslim, atheist, Buddhist, radical feminist, radical environmentalist, or even extremist Christian political agenda. I never said that Sally Kern didn't have the right to say what she said. I just don't think it was wise of her -- as a Christian -- to say it in the way she did.
As for my attitude, it just is what it is. I am a believer in Christ and so are you, so I prefer to do away with the pleasantries and just get right into it. This is ultimately a discussion about how to best be faithful to God and be a light to others. We have different views about that, but I'm not suggesting that you aren't saved or are a bad Christian. If I offended you, sorry, but at the same time you probably shouldn't be letting a 19-year-old's "disrespect" get to you. I call it as I see it, nothing more or less.
Concerning my struggle, it's not as tough as it seems, because I don't let it get me down, and I refuse to see myself as anything less than a loved child of God. There are so many people so much more broken than me and in so much more need of a Savior, that I don't really have the time to get hung up on my own struggles (real or perceived). In all things I am more than a conqueror, so you don't really have to be worried. My age is a great time, because I am young, hopeful, and energetic -- with the world at my fingertips and God by my side. I usually enjoy engaging people in debate like this, but since you don't want to, we can leave it at that. You should, however, put some type of disclaimer on your blog about the type of comments you do and do not want, in order to avoid this type of altercation in the future.
Regards,
Jay
We actually agree more than we disagree. There really isn't a need for a debate. I try and look at the big picture. I hope you will too.
Concerning the original posting here: If you read my article on the "Untold Story About Sally" then you know she is a terrific person. You don't know her personally, but I do. If you read the Baptist Messenger Radio Interview than you already know that she would have restate the parallel. She regrets making anyone feel rejected or hurt. However, she cannot apologize for TRUTH and God's word. We are in agreement that she and others have the right to say what they believe. You mentioned that you believe it was a poor analogy. I partly agree. I would not have used the same parallel. However, it is truly ironic how this story is playing out. I am personally 'thinking through" this, and now I think perhaps her words are prophetic. Truly a scary thought. Time will tell. They laughed and scoffed at Noah when he said there was a flood coming.
Sin is sin in the presence of a very HOLY GOD! The consequences of all sin is total separation from God. The cross of Jesus Christ is the only avenue by which we can be saved. However, there are certain sinful activities / behavior that have different consequences. The consequences can have life altering effects that damage self and others. Homosexuality and all sexual sin are certainly sins that cause this kind of damage. God helps us to be awake and alert to what is happening around us. God have mercy and help us to discern the day we are living. God richly bless you too Jay!
SINCERELY In the King's Love and Service,
Stephen
I guess you also want people to believe you're no longer lesbo. Nice try, honey.